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Replicant · May 23, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by romO

I would personally like to hear the complaints of the PvE side of this. The only ones that should be complaining are the PvPers because we are forced to go through hours and hours of PvE for skills and weapon unlocks as well as superior characters

uhm..... Create PvP -> Pick a PreMade Template -> Choose a Name... how many hours did that take?!

PvP enough on that character and unlock skills that you want.. you never had to do a minutes worth of PvE...

Saider maul · May 23, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

as of now i say...

/signed

if they make it so alliances and faction can take a town but not lock it or any of its functions out then yes intergration is fine. give the controlling faction/alliance discounted prices, or higher resale to trades but don't put politics in a video game.
PvP has alot of ego driven mad men/women.
who gone into a group and the first thing they want to know( well tell you is what build your running and question you to see if your in the right setup) then want you to display an emote to prove you have played. LMAO
ok i understand you don't want a noob or a PvE build ( in most cases ).
but that is what we try to get away from.

PvE wants quality missions and storyline WITH player interaction.
if i wanted to play a game by my self i'd play oblivion. its a superior PvE RPG.
PvP control only complicates PvE.
Go ahead and feed their egos but leave the environment alone.

BahamutKaiser · May 23, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

I would vote no, but votes realy don't count in my opinion.

The game is a PvP and PvE game, and although the skill balance revolves around fair PvP play, it works fine in PvE, and it is a very good game on both ends.

The animosity amongst players revovles around player immaturity, and it isn't the developers job to educate or force maturity on players, a level of respect is expected, but not enforced, and with a non-subscription game, we arn't paying them for monitoring player discussion.

As for PvP and PvE activities getting mixed, that is obviously unwelcome, and although that is primarily what you ment to discuss, seperating what is already in the game isn't realy a valid topic, they arn't going to rewrite the core design of "successful" copies of the game over a petition, what you should be discussing is your hope and interest that Anet will keep these activities on a choice rather than neccessity basis in future chapters.

From personal observation, PvE players are picky and demanding like PvP players, they are shallow, self serving, and undependable, the only real difference is the level of difficulty between PvP play and PvE play, and obviously PvP play is harder, and thus PvP players have more reasons to demand more.

Since I am already confident that Anet intends to add different modes of gameplay in each chapter, I don't feel the urge to pester or petition over aspects that I find undesirable about a specific chapter, they are most likely going to make an original activity in chapter 3 and 4 and 5, and will likely not repeat previous material.

With constantly altering themes and gameplay modes in an imaginably long chain of chapters it is a waste of time trying to get Anet to change a chapter they have already finished, expecially over preferance. They will make sure this chapter works correctly, and perhaps modify some qualities to make them more enjoyable, but they arn't going to rewrite this or the last chapter wile they are in the process of creating the 3rd chapter and planning a 4th. Best suggestion for your suggestions, ask for a different or specific type of content in future chapters, allow people who enjoy this chapter to enjoy it, and hope they make a chapter more to your preferances in the future.

You can't make a vote over who wants to keep certain aspects and who wants to toss them, serving certain players preferance isn't justification to take away something someone else is enjoying, unless it is an imbalance, it isn't right. Many people enjoy the way this game is played, even more people enjoy being able to play PvP and PvE, with their characters, those people are playing the game. Rationally, people on these forums are here because they have a beef, or they have a dream, the vast majority of regular players are on the game and don't come to the forums, so trying to take a partial show of hands amongst only a portion of the players is misleading and invalid, it isn't an accurate measure of player interest.

Now I would love if Anet tolk an in game poll allowing all active players to voice their satisfaction with current and concept material, but trying to get a /signed, /notsigned petition is obviously inaccurate.

The rewrote starwars galaxies didn't they? what happen to them? Even a great improvement isn't acceptable if you already laid a foundation for the game, adding new stuff to the game is a great option, but taking away old activities wile only piss of as many people as it pleases, and it is usually the hardcore population that is pissed off, they are the ones who are actually playing the current content alot. Fortunatly Anet has designed a game with the opportunity to explore very different kinds of gameplay in each chapter, so it is perfectly possible for them to add something very unique in the future, but, yet again, taking away something that we already have causes just as much dislikes as likes, and unless something can be done to improve gameplay for all interests, it is best to leave the game the way it is.

quickmonty · May 23, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

I would vote no, but votes realy don't count in my opinion.

The game is a PvP and PvE game, and although the skill balance revolves around fair PvP play, it works fine in PvE, and it is a very good game on both ends.

The animosity amongst players revovles around player immaturity, and it isn't the developers job to educate or force maturity on players, a level of respect is expected, but not enforced, and with a non-subscription game, we arn't paying them for monitoring player discussion.

As for PvP and PvE activities getting mixed, that is obviously unwelcome, and although that is primarily what you ment to discuss, seperating what is already in the game isn't realy a valid topic, they arn't going to rewrite the core design of "successful" copies of the game over a petition, what you should be discussing is your hope and interest that Anet will keep these activities on a choice rather than neccessity basis in future chapters.
From personal observation, PvE players are picky and demanding like PvP players, they are shallow, self serving, and undependable, the only real difference is the level of difficulty between PvP play and PvE play, and obviously PvP play is harder, and thus PvP players have more reasons to demand more.

Since I am already confident that Anet intends to add different modes of gameplay in each chapter, I don't feel the urge to pester or petition over aspects that I find undesirable about a specific chapter, they are most likely going to make an original activity in chapter 3 and 4 and 5, and will likely not repeat previous material.
With constantly altering themes and gameplay modes in an imaginably long chain of chapters it is a waste of time trying to get Anet to change a chapter they have already finished, expecially over preferance. They will make sure this chapter works correctly, and perhaps modify some qualities to make them more enjoyable, but they arn't going to rewrite this or the last chapter wile they are in the process of creating the 3rd chapter and planning a 4th. Best suggestion for your suggestions, ask for a different or specific type of content in future chapters, allow people who enjoy this chapter to enjoy it, and hope they make a chapter more to your preferances in the future.

You can't make a vote over who wants to keep certain aspects and who wants to toss them, serving certain players preferance isn't justification to take away something someone else is enjoying, unless it is an imbalance, it isn't right. Many people enjoy the way this game is played, even more people enjoy being able to play PvP and PvE, with their characters, those people are playing the game. Rationally, people on these forums are here because they have a beef, or they have a dream, the vast majority of regular players are on the game and don't come to the forums, so trying to take a partial show of hands amongst only a portion of the players is misleading and invalid, it isn't an accurate measure of player interest.

Now I would love if Anet tolk an in game poll allowing all active players to voice their satisfaction with current and concept material, but trying to get a /signed, /notsigned petition is obviously inaccurate.

The rewrote starwars galaxies didn't they? what happen to them? Even a great improvement isn't acceptable if you already laid a foundation for the game, adding new stuff to the game is a great option, but taking away old activities wile only piss of as many people as it pleases, and it is usually the hardcore population that is pissed off, they are the ones who are actually playing the current content alot. Fortunatly Anet has designed a game with the opportunity to explore very different kinds of gameplay in each chapter, so it is perfectly possible for them to add something very unique in the future, but, yet again, taking away something that we already have causes just as much dislikes as likes, and unless something can be done to improve gameplay for all interests, it is best to leave the game the way it is.

It would have been nice if you had actually read the OP before such a long and repetitive discourse.

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

I am hoping that Anet sees the error of their ways and, in future chapters, will seperate PvP and PvE so we can all enjoy the aspects of the game we prefer without further increasing the conflicts, flaming and name calling.

M3lk0r · May 23, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Can someone PLEASE come up with anything other than FoW/UW access as that has already been flamed about a million times? I am not saying if its right or wrong, just that I would asume ANEt has already noted the disturbance its causing and has either decided it to remain, or is currently working on an alternate system.

So how else does PvP affect the PvE realm.

Saider maul · May 23, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by lightblade

NO!!!

Integrated PvP and PvE is what makes GW stands out of all the other MMORPGs. It is what makes it unique!

/not signed

But what kinda idiot are you!!!!!!!
WOW is the worst for politics but they do the same thing. EVE playes for territory in space, Dark ages of camalot fight for kingdoms and expansion.

what makes GW unique is...
1: ITS FREE
2: 8 skills and 1 elite skill limit. ( balanced sometimes a lil to balanced )
3: lvl 20/ armour caps.. ( fast character building, no excessive/ progressive armour for logevity of playtime. ( IE. WOW PvP armours )
I am pizzed because they put the politics in GW.
serously go look up some info before posting.lol

ty for the laugh.

Saider maul · May 23, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by M3lk0r

Can someone PLEASE come up with anything other than FoW/UW access as that has already been flamed about a million times? I am not saying if its right or wrong, just that I would asume ANEt has already noted the disturbance its causing and has either decided it to remain, or is currently working on an alternate system.

So how else does PvP affect the PvE realm.

fighting for favor ok. that i can live with its a much brouder scale and i can still do 95% of all aspects of the game.

Faction control of towns and what can be done. bad idea.
they need to put the crack pipe down,.. regain their thoughts and fix the 2 games played. ( ie. GW PvP, GW PvE ). 2 very different parts in the same game played seperate due to personal taste.

Replicant · May 23, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Saider maul

But what kinda idiot are you!!!!!!!
WOW is the worst for politics but they do the same thing. EVE playes for territory in space, Dark ages of camalot fight for kingdoms and expansion.

what makes GW unique is...
1: ITS FREE
2: 8 skills and 1 elite skill limit. ( balanced sometimes a lil to balanced )
3: lvl 20/ armour caps.. ( fast character building, no excessive/ progressive armour for logevity of playtime. ( IE. WOW PvP armours )
I am pizzed because they put the politics in GW.
serously go look up some info before posting.lol

ty for the laugh.

TOTALLY /AGREE!

romO · May 23, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Replicant

uhm..... Create PvP -> Pick a PreMade Template -> Choose a Name... how many hours did that take?!

PvP enough on that character and unlock skills that you want.. you never had to do a minutes worth of PvE...

That's absurd, as I stated that it was possible to do all out PvP, but it was completely unrealistic. Have you seen the premades? Every one of them are absolutely horrible and you will only be able to play (and lose) RA and TA using them. And furthermore, have you played the arenas? They are horrendously slow for gaining faction and achieving unlocks. Such an endeavor would take ten times as long as it would through PvE. Although PvE is quicker, to most PvP players, it is not entertaining in the least, and that is where the complaints open up. Using premades is a ridiculous idea because it only opens RA and TA, the lowest forms of PvP, and it would take incredible amounts of time to get out of the arenas due to the incredibly low faction and experience (of the player his or herself) gain over time. I never said that PvP-only was impossible, but it certainly remains impractical.

That said, no one has offered a valid arguement as to why PvP affects the PvE side. PvP rewards should not carry over. Like what? Rank emotes? I could care less about emoting in PvE, and other than that there are things like guild rank and faction, and which of those carry over? If you want to argue the Kurzick/Luxon faction, the alliances with the most are and will always be PvE alliances because of the simplicity of faction farming there rather than in PvP. FoW/UW access are merely representations of the number of people playing from a certain region. The regions with the most people playing (represented through tombs) get the access to these areas. If you want to argue that they should be available to everyone at all times, then I am with you entirely, but as for having another PvE-based system of determining favor for these places, it seems monotonous because the region with the greatest population on the game at the time will control favor. This is based on the assumption that the same proportion of people from each area engage in tombs and with the same skill level, which I believe is fair because from each region there is always a great influx of people just getting the game and using tombs as a starting point or people just starting PvP, as tombs is one of the beginner arenas. Also, the second assumption of skill level is covered by the popularity of cookie-cutter flavor of the month builds that people run to hold hall and farm fame (ranger spike, necro spike, iway, dual migraine+spiteful, etc).

quickmonty · May 23, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Thanks you romO, for giving such a great argument in favor of the seperation of PvP and PvE.

Phades · May 23, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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